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Jun 11th, 2010 at 11:22pm
 
Has anyone had problems with mm and anestesia? My daughter had two procedures done that required her to be put under and after both procedures she had a stroke after. Just curious if there was anyone else out there with similar experience and what they have heard about it. she is supposed to have an angiogram done as well as another surgery and I am apprehensive about putting her under again.
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Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2010 at 10:34am
 
My daughter had a angiogram and one other procedure in the past year.  She did not have any problem with anesthesia.  Each procedure was short about an hour.  After Mattie had her angioram she did get sick to her stomach on the drive home.
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Reply #2 - Jun 12th, 2010 at 11:10am
 
My son has not had any issues with being put to sleep but I do know that anesthesia reduces blood flow to the brain so in people with moyamoya who already have restricted blood flow it can create problems. Anesthesia is a BIG concern for people with MMD.
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Reply #3 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 9:44am
 
My dentist (yes, my dentist!) actually told me there are two different kinds of anesthesia that can be used...one with and agent that contricts blood vessels and one that doesn't.  I'm really sorry I don't remember the name - if someone can help me out!  My dentist, who fully knows my mm diagnosis and has done some research on it himself, told me if I ever needed dental work that required anesthesia he would use the one without that agent.  It's a good idea to mention history of stroke whenever your daughter goes in for any type of anesthsia. 

As Erinmom2 said - yes, Anesthesia is a veery BIG concern for people with MMD.

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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 11:55pm
 
I agree with Shari and Erinmom2 that anesthesia is a big concern for those of us who have mm. I have to go to our local hospital instead of the clinic where they do colonascopy or gastroenterology tests because they are concerned about anesthesia. I am lucky to have them.
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Reply #5 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 8:17am
 
HI!

My daughter had a stroke after each of her surgeries for Moyamoya. --the first stroke within 12 hours after her surgery and the 2nd stroke 5 days after her 2nd surgery. Still not alot known about stroke. Our neurologist says anaesthesiologist needs to be very careful with C02 levels and avoid hyperventilation.

Certainly anaestheiologists with experience with Moyamoya are preferable--also Interventional radiologists with experience with moyamoya are important. We insisted on going to a children's hospital --still 2 strokes and not enough knowledge about why they stroke. Extra hydration is very important too........we went in the night before for my daughter to have Iv fluids.

Best of luck--I know it can be an incredibly stressful time.

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Reply #6 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 12:10pm
 
As others have mentioned, anesthesia is a concern for those with MM.  My daughter's neurosurgeon stressed to me the importance of anyone who administers anesthesia to my child being trained in  moyamoya precautions for anesthesia.  Technically, I don't understand all aspects of the precautions, so in the past I have referred anesthesiologists to the neurosurgeon when they don't "get it", and have opted not to proceed with procedures until I'm satisfied that the anesthesiologist understands the importance.  If s/he is not willing to talk to my daughter's neurosurgeon about this (if they don't understand it), then they're not fit to touch my child...period.  This has really only been an issue for us when my daughter has had to have procedures at a facility other than the children's hospital where she received her MM surgeries, which is fortunately very few & far between.
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Reply #7 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 2:56pm
 
yunnanababy wrote on Jun 14th, 2010 at 12:10pm:
If s/he is not willing to talk to my daughter's neurosurgeon about this (if they don't understand it), then they're not fit to touch my child...period. 


Love this...you go girl!

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Reply #8 - Jun 15th, 2010 at 7:04pm
 
Whenever Shelbi has had to be put to sleep, there has been someone assigned to only sit there to monitor her BP. And the medicine was ready to be administered if her BP dropped (which they had to give her on at least 2 occasions).  Her NS said during her MM surgery and angiograms and then with her Chiari Decompression surgeries, that the risk of her stroking from the anestetic was bigger then the risks of her surgeries themselves.  So if she ever has to have any other surgeries this will always be an issue.
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Reply #9 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 4:01pm
 
Hey Shari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Grin
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Reply #10 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:38pm
 
Hey, Y'all!
I am so glad to be on the site again  - been offline for small tragedies since I got back from the Picnic.
I wanted to say Hey 2 u,, Shari, and send u kisses. I'll keep u posted re the other stuff we worked on but in the meantime?

I wanted to ask you guys about Anasthesia: (spelling grrrrrr!) Can you tell me why it is of particular concern for us? And did anyone figure out the different types (constrictors and non?)
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Reply #11 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 9:08am
 
I think it's epinephrine?  (Spelling....).  That's the agent that constricts the blood vessels - so you don't want that.  People with MM already have constricted blood vessels!

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Reply #12 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 11:07pm
 
Hello All,

Hey Rebecca glad to see you posting again.  I hope all is going well and you need tocall me when you get a chance. 

Anesthesia and MM, definitly a tricky one but managable with the proper knowledge. 
Epinephrine is actually a hormone that is secreted from the Adrenal gland and a neurotransmitter.  It is used in our bodies automatic "Fight or Flight" response of the sympathetic nervous system.  It causes the heart rate to increase, brochials to dilate so we can breath better and blood vessels to constrict or contract.  It can be symthetically made and used to treat conditions such as severe allergic reactions, decrease bleeding, cadiac arrest and many other conditons.  Epinephrine is added in several anesthetics especially in dental procedures and local anesthetics. 

I will be having surgery for a stomach condition in July and just spoke with Teresa and Dr. Steinberg at Stanford because of concern with anesthesia.  Dr. Steinberg wrote a letter for me to give to my surgeon here and to the anesthesiologist that just simply states that hydration, blood pressure and CO2 levels must me monitored closely during surgery and while still sedated just following the surgery.  AS a MM patient I am always sure to be as hydrated as I can especially before having anything done with anesthesia and I tell the doctors to maintain my blood pressure at 110 systolic or higher (Systolic = top number).  This is different for everyone based on you body and its needs.  Many people with MM have high blood pressure, I have low and often fight to keep mine from dropping to low.  High blood pressure can cause stroke in anyone but low blood pressure in a MM patient = low perfusion of blood to the brain and possible stroke.  Again, always co-ordinate anything with your MM specialist.  The anesthesiolgists at Stanford are experienced with MM patients and know exactly what drups to use and how much, as well as how to monitor.  They are amazing and Dr. Steinberg only works with a certain group that know how to monitor a patient with MM.  I had to have a scope of my stomach done one week ago and it was awful.  The anesthesiologist was so afraid that my blood pressure would drop too low that he did not give me enough anesthetic medication and I was awake for the entire procedure and could feel everything that they did.  It hurt and I remember the entire procedure.  I have already met with another anesthesiologist for my up coming surgery and he has done his research, he had all kinds of information printed and in my chart when I arrived for my appointment and then we talked about MM for quite some time.  He feels very comfortable with handleing my sedation for surgery and I do now that we have met and he was willing to listen to me, read the information from Dr. Steinberg and do some research on his own. 
I personally have found that doing my own reasearch and arming myself with as much knowledge as I can has been very beneficial.  You can always call a pharmacist to ask about diferent medicaitons.  They are very heplful and knowlegable.  Another option is to ask specifically what drugs they are going to use before any procedure or surgery and then research then yourself or ask your neurosurgeon if those drugs are ok for someone with MM disease.  Just remember we are all different and what is good for one of us may not be so good for others. 

I hope this info helps, it is another of those unique problems that MM patients face. 

Shari - I am so looking forward to next year in Philly.
Rebecca - CALL ME, When is surgery?

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Reply #13 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 8:27am
 
Thank for your post, Tracie! Hope you are doing well...good luck and speedy recovery on your up-coming surgery!

-Shari
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Reply #14 - Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:04am
 
This is a delicate matter...Glad this information is being posted.

and super Hellos to Shari, Becca and Stacie.
Stacie --- Lots of Love and support for you.
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Reply #15 - Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:13pm
 
Thank you all for the information. I feel like I am a bit more prepared for the next time...we have an angiogram coming up and I am definitely more prepared.
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Reply #16 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:30am
 
This is an interesting post. Luca has been anaesthetized a few times since here bypass for scans, etc and we've never given special instruction to the anesthetist. But I will definately be paying more attention now.

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